Need the right help with your business ? Alice Reeves - Founder of Joyfully Different 🌟

In today’s episode, we’re joined by the incredible Alice Reeves, founder of Joyfully Different — a business dedicated to helping neurodivergent individuals create systems that actually work for them (not against them 🙌).

Alice shares her personal journey of struggle and triumph, starting with the massive burnout she experienced during the pandemic when her business unexpectedly tripled. While the excitement of growing a business should have been thrilling, Alice found herself without an outlet for all the energy she was taking on from others. This led to a breakdown that resulted in an ADHD diagnosis, ultimately pushing her to rethink and create a work-life structure that truly worked for her. 🌈

Her story doesn’t end there. As a teen, Alice was diagnosed with an eating disorder, but later discovered it was actually undiagnosed OCD, ADHD, and autistic traits that had been converging all along. Through her journey, she sought help from a trauma coach, who guided her in regulating her nervous system. Today, she can recognize her triggers and respond with kindness and love — practices she now uses to support neurodivergent clients in creating tailored systems to thrive. 💖✨

Join us as Alice takes us through how she transformed her personal struggles into a thriving business and shares her insights on how neurodivergent individuals can find work-life balance and success on their own terms. 💼🌟

Key Takeaways:

• Alice’s journey from burnout to building Joyfully Different 🚀
• How undiagnosed ADHD, autism, and OCD shaped her personal and professional life 🧠
• The power of body awareness and nervous system regulation in creating sustainable work habits 💆‍♀️
• How neurodivergent people can design systems that align with their unique needs 🛠️
• The role of love, kindness, and self-compassion in responding to emotional triggers 💖

Tune in for an inspiring, heartwarming conversation that blends personal stories, practical tips, and actionable advice for anyone navigating neurodivergence in work and life! 🎧

Resources:

Alice’s Business: www.joyfullydifferent.co 🌟

📧 alice@joyfullydifferent.co
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Katie Stibbs's Business: www.neurohappy.life  : Practical tools  & Coaching to Get You Out Of Your Head, Learning How To Regulate Your emotions and calm your nervous system You will learn to identify & unhook from unhelpful thoughts and beliefs- & learn somatic techniques to calm the body and clear the unconscious blocks holding you back. Mind Body soul & energy work - so you can experience inner peace and happiness- and get stuff done- Live Free & Happy

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Transcript

[00:03] Speaker A: Hello and welcome to theNeuroHappy podcast. Daisy and I are so excited this season to be interviewing people in our area, which is Sussex. Now we are interviewing exciting,

[00:14] lovely people that might have businesses or an exciting story. So we're really hoping to expand the narrative,

[00:20] get different people's perspectives that are neurodiverse, but also that are neurotypical, that may live, have family members that are neurodiverse or, or work, have businesses with people that are neurodiverse.

[00:33] So we're really hoping that you enjoy this season.

[00:37] You are so welcome.

[00:50] Okay. Hello and welcome. Today on the podcast we have Alice Reeves. She's a neurodivergent entrepreneur. She's been running her current business joyfully different different for the last two years, but has been in business for a long time.

[01:05] And this business is an online community and learning hub with a mission to make the world of business and self employment joyful for neurodivergent folks. Welcome, Alice.

[01:17] Speaker B: Oh, thank you for inviting me.

[01:19] Speaker A: And before you came on, me and Daisy, we discussing kind of the challenges of being in business.

[01:26] I have been self employed for 15 years. I support people that are neurodiverse and what I see a lot is this sense of overwhelm,

[01:36] of too many ideas of just being like, oh my gosh.

[01:39] Speaker C: What do I start with first?

[01:41] Speaker A: And Daisy is at the beginning of her business journey and I was just wondering what challenges you are facing at.

[01:49] Speaker C: The moment, what you're facing. When we were talking before Stipsy, it was that this idea, it's that for sure. It's like, you know, I think the potential for neurodivergent people to be entrepreneurs and to be good entrepreneurs is there because we have a lot of ideas.

[02:03] So that's a core part of it. And not wanting to be kind of encased in a system that doesn't necessarily make sense to us. So striking out on your own is an obvious thing to do.

[02:13] Yeah,

[02:14] the idea of having so many ideas and not knowing which ones to pick, which ones to choose first,

[02:19] being sent off course sometimes, you know, not sticking to your own core mission whilst needing to have a lot of variety.

[02:30] Yeah, these things are kind of conflicting.

[02:32] And then this idea that we were talking about, Stivsy, that if someone asks you what help do you need?

[02:38] It's kind of I don't know where, I don't know where to start there. On a practical level it's like, I know I need help, but where do I start? And so for someone like me who has lots of ideas trying to Keep focused, needs that variety and doesn't know how she needs to be helped.

[02:53] What would you say?

[02:57] Speaker B: I'm going to start by saying I do not think that I have ever met an entrepreneur with ADHD who is not overwhelmed approximately 80% of the time. Wow.

[03:07] Like, I feel like it just goes with the territory. And, you know, I've worked for myself for eight years. I would say probably for the first two or three years I was intensely overwhelmed all the time.

[03:20] Then I got a bit less overwhelmed and then I got my ADHD diagnosis. And then gradually using what I've learned,

[03:27] I've, like, alleviated that overwhelm more, which I'll go into later by, like, putting certain things in practice.

[03:34] But I think from an overwhelmed perspective,

[03:37] like me personally,

[03:39] the thing that I think I found most overwhelming was just, just as soon as you, like, go out there and you say, I'm an entrepreneur, I'm running my own business.

[03:47] Like, the onslaught of advice of do it this way, do it that way, you need to do this, you need to do that. The social media, like adverts, you start seeing the time thing, the people trying to sell you courses.

[03:58] Like, for me, the biggest, like, the most kind of,

[04:02] like, surefire route to overwhelm is to do stuff the way that other people are telling me I should do it.

[04:09] Speaker A: Oh, so true.

[04:11] Speaker B: And,

[04:12] and once I was a. Once I built my confidence in entrepreneurship and then doubly once I combined that knowledge of business with the knowledge that I got of myself after my ADHD diagnosis,

[04:26] I was able to kind of understand and like, look at it and go, well, actually, that advice isn't going to work for me. So I'm not even going to waste my energy by thinking that's something I'm going to do.

[04:36] You know, I'm not going to put pressure on myself to do X, Y, Z, because that's just going to make me feel bad. You know, I'm not going to work a 9 to 5.

[04:44] Speaker C: Yes.

[04:44] Speaker B: I'm not going to force myself to work on days when my energy is low.

[04:47] Speaker C: Yes.

[04:48] Speaker B: I'm not going to work in a certain way just because I feel like someone is expecting it of me. I'm going to communicate with them and we're going to find the right way of working for us so that we still get the same outcome.

[05:00] So I think a huge amount of overwhelm comes from, like, feeling like you've got, like, really high expectations and no kind of real sense of, like, empowerment and trust in yourself that you can make your own decisions.

[05:15] Like, I think that was a big thing for me and I just ended up tying myself in knots trying to do things the way that other people were telling me it should be done.

[05:23] Speaker C: That really resonates, especially when people say things like, we just need to have a routine. You need to be at your desk and when your kids at school, et cetera, this is what you need to do.

[05:32] I've had loads of people say that to me and I have already said that's not going to work for me.

[05:37] I also simultaneously recognize that being at my computer at 10 o' clock at night and then having,

[05:44] you know, not having any, any time when you really switch off from it is not necessarily helpful, but it's kind of the way it is because then sometimes I will just say, I'm not doing anything today.

[05:53] Speaker B: Because I can't, because you can't. And also, like, I will have days where I wake up and I think, well, work's not going to happen today. Like, either my focus is all over the place or my anxiety is really high or I don't have energy or motivation and I just think I'm going to write today off and I'm not going to do any work.

[06:09] And then, I kid you not, nine times out of ten, about three o' clock in the afternoon when I've done nothing all day, something in my brain goes, oh, let's work now.

[06:17] And I'll work through until 11 o' clock at night and get a full day's work done.

[06:20] Speaker A: That is such useful information to kind of impart and the confidence and the freedom that comes with that.

[06:27] But what were the sticking. How did you get to that point? Because,

[06:31] you know, like you, I did every course under the, you know, under the sun and I felt so bad about myself by the end of a lot of them in these masterminds or business stuff where I was trying to get my stuff out and how did you cut through the crack?

[06:45] Speaker B: So a lot of it was post diagnosis where once I got. So I, I got my ADHD diagnosis five years into running my own business at the age of 35. And you know, everyone says, oh, it's like a light bulb moment, like it's a kid cliche, but it really is.

[06:59] It's literally like something just switched in my head and I went, oh my God, of course,

[07:04] of course.

[07:06] Trying to do everything this way hasn't been working for me. And it's making me feel overwhelmed because the more I learn about what helps people with ADHD was just the opposite of everything I've been trying to force myself to do.

[07:20] Speaker C: And you talk to us a little bit about the build up to that diagnosis and this. And, you know, you. You spoke to us before we started recording about how you actually had a breakdown and you had to completely sort of rip up the way I've been doing things.

[07:33] Can you give us a bit of background on. On how that came about?

[07:36] Speaker B: Yeah, so. So, like, like a lot of people, it was accelerated by the pandemic. And obviously I was. I mean, I mean, I say I was undiagnosed neurodivergent. I was diagnosed with OCD when I was in my teens.

[07:49] Um,

[07:50] and so, but. But then OCD wasn't really talked about in the context of neurodivergence. It was talked about in the context of mental illness.

[07:59] Speaker C: Yes.

[07:59] Speaker B: So I sort of had this label that I'd carried with me for 20 years of like, I have a mental illness. Like, I. My. I have this obsessive compulsive disorder. My brain is broken in some way.

[08:12] You know, that. That was the narrative I was carrying about myself. And it was sort of like this. Just push it down, push it down, push it down. Like, prove you're not ill.

[08:19] Prove you're, you know, really, really kind of damaging, like, toxic way of relating to myself.

[08:27] And. And so the pandemic happened and, you know, I'd. I had no idea I had adhd. And.

[08:36] And my experience of going into lockdown was that I hadn't realized how much I had carefully constructed this, like, elaborate routine around my life that kept my brain motivated and engaged, gave me novelty,

[08:54] you know, gave me energy.

[08:56] And then all of that collapsed and like, the only way I can describe it of, like, it genuinely felt like this sort of gradual unraveling of my sanity over the course of a year.

[09:09] And then we got to summer of 2021 and I was literally on my knees, like, Like, I had nothing left. I was so burnt out working in digital marketing,

[09:20] running a digital marketing business where we got so busy during the pandemic, like, I think our revenue tripled in 2020 or something. We came from just being me and the business partner to a team of like, seven, our biggest.

[09:34] And all of that was like, on top of everything that the pandemic had destabilized was all of this new stuff.

[09:41] Speaker D: Yeah.

[09:42] Speaker B: And I couldn't. I genuinely couldn't understand, like, why I couldn't cope. And again, it was going back to that narrative of, like, well, I'm just.

[09:49] I'm just mentally ill. There's something wrong.

[09:51] Speaker C: And I.

[09:51] Speaker B: And I can't do this,

[09:54] but I was talking to a friend who recently got an ADHD diagnosis when I was really in that height of feeling terrible,

[10:04] and they basically were like, I really, really think you should investigate whether this is adhd. Like, it sounds like you are in this intense ADHD burnout.

[10:15] And, and, and, you know, this friend was like, you and me are really similar. And so I feel like this is. So I, I ended up getting a referral from my doctor,

[10:26] and I think because of the state of my mental health at that point,

[10:32] at a time when they were quite long waiting list, I actually went from referral to diagnosis.

[10:36] Speaker C: Within six months, which, it's still. It's still a time. But if you look at how long the workplace are now, it's. Yeah, that's miraculous.

[10:44] Speaker B: Yeah.

[10:45] Speaker A: And do you think without that kind of catalystic experience, you know, lockdown and everything,

[10:52] you know, is there a part of you that's just like, I'm glad that happened in a way, or.

[10:56] Speaker B: I mean, I, I.

[10:56] Speaker A: Not bad, but you know what I mean?

[10:58] Speaker B: I don't know, because obviously, like, what happened in lockdown did a lot to, like, bring to light so many neurodivergent people who had been struggling in a similar way to me.

[11:10] And, like, we're all in our houses with all of this time to just reflect inside our heads.

[11:17] And so I think that that accelerated awareness of neurodiversity,

[11:23] which meant that I was exposed to a lot more of, like, conversations about ADHD and neurodivergence.

[11:32] But I also don't, you know, I don't know, it was that kind of perfect combination of this increase in awareness with the pandemic being a catalyst for so many people to be diagnosed,

[11:42] combined with my own experience,

[11:45] and so many.

[11:46] Speaker A: People were doing not much in the pandemic yet. Your workload accelerated. So, I mean, I actually really enjoyed that whole time.

[11:57] But for you, it was like, there was no kind of. There was no places that you could go to to kind of, you know, to juxtaposition from that workload that used to be nuts.

[12:07] Speaker B: It literally felt. I, I, The. The best analogy I can think of for how I felt was like a caged wild animal.

[12:14] Speaker D: Yeah.

[12:15] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah.

[12:16] Speaker A: There's no outlet, is there, for all those structures you'd put in place?

[12:18] Speaker B: No. Absolutely no. No. Like, no sense of novelty.

[12:22] Speaker D: Yeah.

[12:22] Speaker B: No. Like, I'm a massive extrovert. Like, no opportunity to engage with other people who give me energy.

[12:30] Speaker C: Yeah.

[12:31] Speaker B: You know. Yeah. And.

[12:33] And that is. I get so much in my energy from Huge. Yeah. So I was. I was really lacking that energetically. My workload was huge.

[12:42] I couldn't, you know, Perfect storm. Yeah,

[12:45] I did, you know, I was really.

[12:48] I did pole fitness, like pole dancing, and I'd done it for so many years and I had such a community around it with our classes, you know, went a couple of times a week and.

[12:58] And then all of a sudden I couldn't do that anymore.

[13:01] Speaker C: So how did this breakdown manifest itself? Did you find yourself unable to get out of bed or what was at your lowest point? What.

[13:08] What was going on through your mind and your body?

[13:10] Speaker B: I. I literally just couldn't stop crying. Like, I could not stop crying from the moment I woke up. The moment I went to bed. I just had. It was literally like I was in like almost physical pain from how terrible I felt.

[13:25] And I ended up having to basically take a sabbatical from my own business. Yeah.

[13:31] In order to recover.

[13:34] Speaker C: It must have been a lot of this sort of touches on. When we were talking at the beginning.

[13:38] Speaker A: About how.

[13:41] Speaker C: We all get told that we're supposed to be doing things in a certain way and then we feel bad. The shame around not being able to yet carry on verted common as a grip up.

[13:50] And with this background that you have of feeling like you've been given this mental illness diagnosis, you know, rather than a greater understanding about what was actually going off you as a human being was part of that.

[14:02] It's shame. Yeah. Because I think shame is a huge thing.

[14:04] Speaker A: Yeah, absolutely.

[14:06] Speaker B: Yeah, massively.

[14:07] Speaker C: Massively. And so when you got.

[14:10] When you were diagnosed and you had this kind of moment where you go, oh my God, actually there's nothing wrong with me, but I just operate on a different level.

[14:18] It is it.

[14:20] How did that then pan out? Because a diagnosis is only the beginning, isn't it? It's not a magic bullet. Yeah, you kind of mentioned it before.

[14:27] Speaker A: But how did you get better?

[14:30] Speaker B: So I,

[14:32] you know, obviously our business was doing well. I was in a privileged position of being able to invest in like specific trauma therapy with someone who understood neurodivergence.

[14:46] And so that was what led me to understand about basically somatic work and how I needed to really tune into my body to be able to regulate my emotions.

[15:02] So discovering, you know, as you both know, you know, discovering stuff like breath work and just,

[15:10] just a general awareness of my body, you know,

[15:13] and what it needed and.

[15:16] And so realizing that, you know, you can't, you can't logic your way out of dysregulation.

[15:23] It's a. It's a somatic thing. It's a bodily thing. It's a nervous system thing. It's not just tell yourself not to be overwhelmed sort of thing.

[15:31] Speaker A: No, it's a physical experience that can't be denied, you know.

[15:35] And so did you learn to welcome. You might not like it, but did you learn how to do that?

[15:39] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah, I really, really went deep. Really. And.

[15:43] And it was. And it was difficult.

[15:46] And,

[15:47] you know,

[15:48] it requires you to be really honest about what's going on for you and really tune into that, which I wasn't very good at because I was so out of tune with.

[15:57] Speaker D: Yeah.

[15:57] Speaker B: With my body.

[16:00] But that really helped. And then, you know, like I said, just educating myself about adhd, like joining commun.

[16:07] People, like online, on Facebook that also had adhd,

[16:11] asking questions, hearing other people share their experiences, you know, understanding. God, I was really overwhelmed because 80% of my time was actually doing this kind of task, which was sapping my energy.

[16:24] And,

[16:24] and I think a big light bulb moment for me was the understanding that burnout isn't about doing too much. Burnout is about not doing enough of what feels fuels you.

[16:34] Speaker C: That's.

[16:34] Speaker A: That's a really good way.

[16:36] Speaker D: Yeah.

[16:36] Speaker C: And actually, what I'm thinking as you're speaking is this. This combination of. And I don't know when, if you can pinpoint a moment in your life, stimsing that was your kind of low point where you started to do this work.

[16:47] But this combination that you're talking about, Alice, between the personal work, the getting in touch with the body, and the recognizing the importance of community for me, those two things.

[16:57] And I had a very different journey. But my kind of low point, as it were, probably came around the same time because my daughter was very, very ill, My marriage broke down, and the pandemic also suddenly separated and divorced.

[17:10] And then I found myself just in tears a lot. And that's how I. I'd already started to experiment with all sorts of things, but I came across breath work, and it was that kind of,

[17:19] I need to get in touch with my body. I really need to go towards this and not run away from it. And as you say,

[17:25] it's painful.

[17:26] Speaker B: Yeah.

[17:26] Speaker C: I mean, you. I think you. You sort of started down this road a lot longer ago, didn't you?

[17:31] Speaker A: Well, I did, because I've just always thought, what the hell is wrong with me? You know, on the surface, very seemingly confident,

[17:40] you know, creative dancing, performing, acting.

[17:44] But inside,

[17:45] not this emotional dysregulation that I felt just,

[17:50] you Know was like, what the hell is going on? I feel like I want to die.

[17:55] And the pain of it was just incredible.

[17:58] So trying to firstly work out what that was, you know, going down the road, which I still think is important,

[18:04] understanding how we believe every thought we think, and that's why we suffer initially. And then that comes with either emotions being felt and then the brain coming and going, oh, that's why.

[18:16] Babbling on. Or the other way around.

[18:18] But for me, it was the emotional dysregulation that I,

[18:23] like, I just was.

[18:26] I just couldn't live with.

[18:27] It was so painful.

[18:29] And I think then obviously later on, when I realized, like you with the ADHD diagnosis.

[18:34] Speaker D: Ah.

[18:36] Speaker A: Rsd, rejection, sensitivity, dysphoria over all of those things, it's like, oh, my God. Yes, yes, yes. It's just. Just knowing that cognitively, intellectually, is just so powerful.

[18:49] Speaker C: It's so powerful. But it's. Then where do you go from that? Because when we talked before,

[18:55] you know,

[18:56] people like us are often quite aware of our challenges, but it's what you do about it.

[19:01] Speaker B: Yeah.

[19:02] Speaker C: So on top of or after you'd done kind of all this work around your nervous system and reaching out to communities,

[19:09] when did the decision come to sort of go back into the world of business? And how did you navigate that? How there must have been a bit of fear there.

[19:17] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, massively.

[19:18] Speaker C: More than a bit massively.

[19:20] Speaker B: And. And ultimately I did go back into the business and I stayed a year and then my business partner and I decided that it would be best if we actually went our separate ways.

[19:31] And I.

[19:32] And I knew that a big part of that was just me knowing that I needed to make such big changes to my life.

[19:40] It. Those changes just wouldn't work in the. In the context of what we'd built.

[19:45] Speaker C: Yeah.

[19:45] Speaker B: And that was fine. There was nothing wrong with that. And it was all very sort of amicable.

[19:50] But for me, that sort of journey, you know,

[19:53] journey of self discovery,

[19:57] but, you know, for want of a better expression, that that journey really started for me, sort of end of 2022, about a year after my diagnosis, where it was like, 2020, end of 2021 to end of 2022 was me really learning about ADHD, really understanding myself, really noticing,

[20:14] like, what in my life needed to change, what could I change really easily? What needed a bit more work, what wasn't going to be possible to change without making some other big changes.

[20:22] Yeah,

[20:23] but.

[20:24] But then sort of reaching the end of 2022 and going, right, I know what I need to do. Now it's a case of really, really doing it.

[20:32] And that was around the sort of time that I really went like, public with my diagnosis.

[20:38] And up until that point, you know, I'd been working in marketing for years. I was known as the marketing person. I'd always get, you know, can you come to speak about branding or speak about marketing or speak about purpose business?

[20:49] And then as soon as I started being open,

[20:52] the invitations completely changed and it was, can you come and talk about ADHD and entrepreneurship? Can you come and talk about your diagnosis? Can you come and talk about being late diagnosed?

[21:00] And then I started to get all these neurodivergent business owners coming up to me going, oh, my God, I've never heard anyone speak like that. I really, like, need your support.

[21:09] I then pretty much goosebumps exclusively, like, still doing branding marketing work, but then started to attract neurodivergent business owners. Then started joyfully different as a way to support neurodivergent business owners.

[21:21] Then trained as a coach so that I felt more confident that I could support people with all of this stuff as well as helping them with their businesses.

[21:28] And so it was a really kind of like,

[21:32] that sort of career. Almost like it was. It wasn't quite a pivot. It was more of like a sort.

[21:37] Speaker A: Of natural kind of organic.

[21:39] Speaker B: Yeah, like organics. Sort of following.

[21:44] Speaker A: Following your heart.

[21:45] Speaker C: Yes. Can I just say that as you're talking, since you started, since we. The conversation shifted, your face was just.

[21:52] Speaker B: Lit up in the way.

[21:53] Speaker C: This is not, you know, we're not filming this. So passion. Because that passion.

[21:58] Speaker B: Yeah.

[21:58] Speaker D: Yeah.

[21:58] Speaker B: Oh, this is what happened.

[22:00] Speaker C: And.

[22:00] Speaker B: And that's what can happen when we.

[22:02] Speaker C: Allow ourselves to buy.

[22:04] Speaker B: Yeah.

[22:05] Speaker C: Calling. And.

[22:06] Speaker B: And the great thing now, like, you know, you talk about. We were talking about overwhelm and like, managing stuff. The great thing now is I am surrounded by neurodivergent business owners all the time.

[22:17] Like, the other thing I will say is I've always had a business partner.

[22:20] Speaker D: Right.

[22:20] Speaker B: Like, I've always had like, the Yan to my. The yin to your yang to my yin or the yin to my yang. Because I recognize that I really struggle with solo entrepreneurship.

[22:30] I never wanted solo entrepreneurship. Like, I love teamwork. Yeah. So I've always had a business partner who,

[22:38] where we overlap a lot, but also can offer me a different perspective. So, like, you know, me and Deanna, who runs Joyfully different with me,

[22:46] we've got like a really clear map and outline of, like, this is what joyfully different is. So when all of those like mad ideas come, we're just like, I've got a wild idea.

[22:55] Does this fit? And the other one's like,

[22:57] no,

[22:59] brilliant,

[23:00] brilliant. Let's bank it.

[23:02] Speaker C: Yes.

[23:03] Speaker B: For, for future, because we don't want to lose it. But it's a knock now because now this is what our focus is. So when you, when you're working in partnership with someone, I think as, as someone that does have this sort of endless stream of ideas,

[23:17] that person can almost be like a, a check in for you.

[23:21] Speaker A: Can I just ask, in your business where you're helping people, entrepreneurs that are neurodiver divergent, make the right decisions and come from the heart,

[23:29] you know,

[23:30] do you find that people, do you suggest that they perhaps get a partner or investigate that? Because.

[23:37] Yes. That just sounds so much more interesting than working on your own.

[23:42] Speaker B: Yeah, I've, I've suggested it to a few people, you know, or, or if, if a business partner isn't, you know, what that person wants, then, you know, getting like a, a virtual assistant who.

[23:53] There's lots of VAs now who really understand neurodivergence and how to work with neurodivergent business owners who can really help with sorting that overwhelm and keeping people. How do you find these people and.

[24:03] Speaker C: How much they cost?

[24:05] Speaker A: Yes, because this is honestly the one key thing anybody that I've ever interviewed and worked with, everyone's always looking for a really good person to do that.

[24:15] So where have you got people in your community?

[24:19] Speaker B: In our community, there's some, like, I can absolutely share some. And names, of course. Mine's totally gone black.

[24:25] Speaker A: Yes, yes.

[24:27] That's amazing. And that's brilliant for people that need to know that, because that's where people get stuck down the rabbit holes that they can't. They say they can't afford to have the support, but then they need the support to be able to grow and sustain their business.

[24:40] And you can't do everything all at once.

[24:42] Speaker C: It's accountability as well, isn't it? It's like when you said to me, do you want to start doing this podcast with me?

[24:47] Having someone else there who's got some, working with someone. Yes. Is helpful. You're not going to let them down, are you? You're not going to exactly let yourself.

[24:54] Speaker B: Yeah. Because external pressure is really important for many. ADHD is. So again, me and Diana will literally be like, we don't ask you. We don't micromanage each other. No. But we'll quite often be like, right, here's what I need from you this week.

[25:07] And here's what I'm doing.

[25:08] Speaker D: Yes.

[25:09] Speaker A: And it's not laziness. So in a neurotypical word, I hate to use that but kind of, you know, in environments that don't quite understand that that's seen as kind of possibly,

[25:17] you know, laziness or tardy or whatever.

[25:20] Speaker C: You want to call it.

[25:20] Speaker A: But it's not that, it's that it just goes out of the brain in one ear and out of the other and gets lost and you need somebody to rein it back in so you.

[25:29] Speaker C: Can remind yourself alongside that. I think what you were saying earlier about being energized with people, people with adhd, I know everybody's different but my observation is that we are energized by each other.

[25:41] Yeah. So when you're working with someone else there's an energy there. So I love collaborating. I don't, for example, I,

[25:47] I,

[25:48] what I'm doing would be suited to a business partner but collaborating with Stipsy and I've got another friend who I'm running nervous system reset workshops with.

[25:57] Speaker B: Yeah.

[25:57] Speaker C: And we, then there is some accountability there, there's an energy, there's a shared joy as well. Yeah.

[26:02] Speaker B: Because and, and I've always, you know,

[26:05] joyfully different. Slightly different is a membership. But,

[26:08] but it, for the, for the, but no, I guess it's not different. Like for the most part I, I, I mean I have always run a service based business so I am always working in partnership with the client, with the team, with the like so I've always got those connections,

[26:23] you know and, and I hate it when I get a client who's literally just like leaves me alone to do my, I'm like I don't want that. I love working with clients that really, really want to get involved, that want to have regular meetings with me.

[26:35] Speaker D: Yes.

[26:35] Speaker B: Check in that want to co create stuff.

[26:38] Speaker D: Yes.

[26:39] Speaker B: You know, like and, and that just makes such a difference to my energy and my quality of work.

[26:45] You know, I, I really, really need that and to me that's collaboration.

[26:49] Speaker D: Yeah.

[26:50] Speaker A: So how does it work then? You know, if people want to work with your business? Joyfully different.

[26:56] Can you explain a little bit more in detail how that, what that looks like?

[26:59] Speaker C: Yes.

[26:59] Speaker B: And there's a, there's a few different ways. So,

[27:01] so we, we first launched our membership community for neurodivergent people. So, so that basically is an online space. It's separate from social media, it's on a separate platform and within that we run regular events, we do two workshops A month.

[27:16] We do body doubling twice a week for accountability where we like virtually co work with each other. We have weekly group business support sessions where people can bring business challenges to a live space.

[27:28] And then we have an online space for people who maybe prefer to just watch the recordings of the workshops and then talk by text with each other.

[27:35] Speaker D: Right.

[27:35] Speaker B: So you've got the options, like you can come to the live events and engage in the membership that way, or you can just watch the recordings, read the resources and talk online.

[27:45] So we, you know, we really wanted to have that catering to different people so that when they're paying for a membership they felt that there was different options of how they.

[27:54] They use it.

[27:54] Speaker A: And that's really important I think, because you don't realize how different people interact. I didn' even realize how I interacted sometimes when on a big screen with lots of people,

[28:03] I get so distracted by everyone. Then I'm looking to see if everyone's having a good time.

[28:07] Speaker B: I've got. And then I have to just shut everyone off though, so I can't see them because it was too much.

[28:12] I've got members who come to every single event we do almost without fail, but never post a single thing in the community. I've got members who've been paying a membership for two years.

[28:20] I've never seen them, I've never spoken to them, but I can see they watch every single recording of everything we did. And that goes this idea of not.

[28:27] Speaker C: Telling other people how they should be doing options so that people can find.

[28:31] Speaker B: Exactly.

[28:32] Speaker C: Can you give us an example of a collaboration that you've.

[28:36] That you've really enjoyed or an example of how a business has really been helped or an individual by what you're doing. Like this sort of an inspirational story for how,

[28:45] how different things can be if someone is coming from overwhelm perspective of overwhelm and how you can help them turn that around.

[28:52] Speaker B: Oh, interesting.

[28:54] So I,

[28:55] so I work with.

[28:56] So there's. I do so many different types of work. Like I'm literally perfect potential.

[29:02] You talk about advice. I'm like, I'm not gonna niche, I'm not gonna pick a lane. I'm like, I've got all these skills and if someone needs them, I'll just apply them in a way that I need.

[29:11] Speaker C: Yeah.

[29:12] Speaker B: So I just go out and have conversations with people and just get.

[29:14] Speaker D: Yeah.

[29:15] Speaker B: Work. And the projects that I'm working on can vary so vastly. For like at the moment I'm like remotely managing a sales team as like a fractional Sales director.

[29:26] I'm working on a complete rebrand project for a consultancy and I'm designing neuro inclusion training for two other companies and running the community.

[29:38] And it's like now I've just had another inquiry about some onetoone coaching and, and yeah, I do a lot of like one diverse. So it's really, really diverse. But like the, the kind of common thing is that when I work with people I never sort of go in with a,

[29:52] like this is how it should be done and this is how I work.

[29:57] Like I don't work in a written. I've got packages like again make packages.

[30:04] Exactly, exactly the package based on what they need. But they're there because you know, they're what we need to show our prices. Yeah,

[30:12] whatever.

[30:14] The. For every, but every kind of time, you know, whether I'm coaching a client or launching a project,

[30:21] I just go in really, really curious of like curiosity. What is, like what's the challenge? Like not, not what do you need help with? What, like what, what is going wrong?

[30:31] Like what, what is it every day where you sit down, you're like yes again, yes. Yeah, because that's the starting point. Because that's, that's not only like an annoyance for you but that's an energy leak.

[30:44] Speaker C: Yeah.

[30:45] Speaker B: Can immediately be plugged and it cuts through.

[30:48] Speaker A: I don't know what I need help with. You know, when you're specifically target.

[30:52] Speaker B: That's such a brilliant question. Yeah, yeah. So like what, what is like basically ******* you off?

[30:57] Speaker C: Yes.

[30:57] Speaker B: Because that's where we start.

[30:58] Speaker D: Yeah.

[30:59] Speaker B: And, and then it's a discovery of like I, I want to talk to, you know, if it's just a solo founder, we'll have like a workshop where we go really deep or I will just ask them loads and loads of questions or I'll talk to individual members of a team or do a team workshop.

[31:13] You know, whatever's best. But curiosity is the root of everything.

[31:17] Because that's so true. Because you can't just go in and go, oh, you've got a problem with your sales. Right. Boom. Here's a 12 step solution that's going to work like first of all, probably not because every business is different.

[31:28] Second of all, if you've got a bunch of like completely different neurotypes in there that are struggling to even communicate with each of that, that's the thing you have to fix first.

[31:37] Speaker D: Yes.

[31:37] Speaker B: Because that's going to be the root of more overwhelm than any of your processes or anything that's going on.

[31:43] So Always start with curiosity, always start with people. Always start with what's ******* them off, what's leaking their energy.

[31:49] So like, to, you know, to give an example, I did a project a couple of years ago for a company that, where they were an education company.

[31:58] So they ran courses, they had teachers, instructors in loads of different countries,

[32:03] sort of a core admin team of about five of them.

[32:06] And there was a member of the team who was autistic and who was. Was sort of struggling to like find their place, really understand what they were good at.

[32:17] Struggling with a lot of overwhelm and all this kind of stuff. And I would, you know, ask them for things and they go quiet and I wouldn't hear from them for days.

[32:26] And does it.

[32:27] And it turned out that,

[32:29] you know, this was causing so much sort of frustration.

[32:32] Speaker D: Yeah.

[32:33] Speaker B: And it turned out that there were two things they needed.

[32:36] First of all was for everything they had to do to create a step by step process with screenshots, with visual stuff. If this is exactly how you do it.

[32:48] Speaker D: Yeah.

[32:49] Speaker B: File it away.

[32:50] Then they go practice the process, come back with any questions.

[32:53] So first thing was documenting every single process,

[32:56] like making everything into like a standard procedure that they could own and follow.

[33:01] Step two was creating a communication system that when they were asked a question and they didn't know, like if, you know, for example, if I was to ask them,

[33:13] what is it about this you're struggling with?

[33:15] Speaker D: Yeah.

[33:16] Speaker B: And they're like.

[33:17] And they just get, you know, have you done this? And I just get blank. So we implemented a like, color, like color coded. Like, we implemented basically an emoji communication system.

[33:28] Speaker D: Yeah.

[33:28] Speaker B: Which is when I sent a brief,

[33:30] there was an emoji for no, I. This. I don't know what to do. I just did a. There was an emoji for, like, I've got questions. There was an emoji for Yep, that's absolutely fine, I'll do it.

[33:42] And the no emoji was then my cue to go,

[33:48] not, okay, what help do you need?

[33:50] But to then start a series of questions of okay, at which step are you stuck?

[33:55] Speaker D: Right.

[33:56] Speaker A: So specific.

[33:57] Speaker B: Yeah.

[33:58] What, like, what is your, like, what are you feeling at the moment? Or like, what, you know,

[34:04] what's the very specific worry you have? You know, would it help for us to get on a call and talk through it?

[34:11] Speaker D: Yeah.

[34:11] Speaker B: Would it help for me to revisit the process and try and see where it's not clear?

[34:17] Like,

[34:18] do you. Is this just not a task you can do? Does it need to go to Someone else. And you know, and it would, it would start that series of questioning where we then get to the root of what the issue was.

[34:27] And it was literally just putting an emoji on the message of yes, no.

[34:33] And we always got where we needed to be. And within literally a couple of months this person was absolutely flying.

[34:41] Speaker D: Wow.

[34:42] Speaker C: So.

[34:42] Speaker A: And then what did the business.

[34:45] How did the business kind of,

[34:48] what did they think about that? That must have been really kind of shocking for them to realize how simple it actually could be.

[34:54] Speaker B: Well, not to. I mean everyone in the business I think was neurodivergent in some way. And, and the, the CEO had a real understanding.

[35:02] Speaker A: Okay.

[35:03] Speaker B: Of neurodiversity and what was going on. So it was actually quite easy to implement those processes.

[35:09] Speaker D: Yeah.

[35:10] Speaker B: And with a team that were really accepting and understanding of it.

[35:14] Speaker D: Yeah.

[35:14] Speaker B: Um,

[35:15] and, and so that, you know, that's just like an example sort of. There's, there's overwhelm going on. There's.

[35:21] But actually the solution was just so, so simple. It was around clarity and it was around communication.

[35:27] Speaker D: Yeah.

[35:28] Speaker A: Because there's too many gray areas in, in corporate world for a lot of neurodiverse people to manage because. And then the overthinking that happens and the worry because they're not, it's not clear like you've just said.

[35:40] And it can be that simple.

[35:42] Speaker C: And what was the knock on effect, the transformation of that single person? What was the ripple effect of what the work you did with them?

[35:50] Speaker B: The efficiency absolutely went through the roof.

[35:53] Speaker C: But for the, for the, for the person themselves, but also for everybody around them was could you see a shift in their team or. I don't know, how big was their team or how big was the organization?

[36:01] Speaker B: Yeah. Well, they ended up becoming a really integral part of the team.

[36:05] From feeling like they were on the sidelines,

[36:08] transformative,

[36:10] like they were struggling to know what to do with their hours every week to absolutely like.

[36:14] Speaker D: Yes.

[36:15] Speaker C: Flying and being more value.

[36:17] Speaker B: Completely valued. And becoming the go to person for all of those processes.

[36:23] Speaker D: Yes.

[36:23] Speaker B: Because they became like the process guardian.

[36:26] Speaker D: Yeah.

[36:26] Speaker B: Of like every time someone didn't know how to do certain.

[36:29] Speaker C: It's process for that.

[36:30] Speaker B: Because I've got them all filed here.

[36:32] Speaker C: And that was something so you devised, did you. In conjunction with that person. And then I suppose then you've got that in your back pocket to take to the next.

[36:39] Speaker B: Yeah.

[36:40] Speaker C: It's some iteration of it because obviously it sounds like everything every single time you go into a business it's different.

[36:45] Speaker B: Oh completely.

[36:47] Speaker C: And I think that's really important to remember. Yeah. Like you said before to me in the last conversation that we had,

[36:54] if you've met one autistic person. You've met one autistic person.

[36:57] Speaker B: Yeah, completely.

[36:58] Speaker C: You met one person with adhd, You've met one person.

[37:00] Speaker D: Yes.

[37:01] Speaker C: Very idea that one was saying is also just a completeness.

[37:04] Speaker B: No. Yeah, yeah. And this, and this is why you don't like speak to a neurotype. Like, if you're coaching or supporting someone with adhd, you don't sort of sit there and go, well, this works for adhd, so this is going to work for you.

[37:15] Again, it's that curiosity of like, what is it about this that like, feels hard.

[37:23] Speaker D: Yeah.

[37:23] Speaker B: Where, where you know at which point in this, you know, if you've got to do this thing, getting from A to B, at which point are you getting. So where is the overwhelm coming in?

[37:31] Speaker D: Yeah.

[37:32] Speaker B: What's the, what's the bridge we need to build for you from one step to the other that makes it easier? Like one of the biggest things with adhd, with a lot of adhd, is just removing the friction points from the tasks that get people stopped because you hit a snag and it's like it stops all movement.

[37:49] That can stop all movement. It can break your hyper focus, it can introduce confusion, it can introduce anxiety.

[37:56] Speaker A: And then you start to doubt yourself and then it's kind of reinforced, isn't it, internally.

[38:01] Speaker B: So, so it's all about like, what actually is it that you're struggling with? And then it's an experiment of what's going to work for you. Like, you know, again, like carrying that curiosity through of, okay, well, let's try this solution.

[38:13] Let's try it for a week. And if it doesn't work, you just come to me and you say, it doesn't work.

[38:17] Speaker D: Yes.

[38:18] Speaker B: Find another way. Or we adapt it, or we, you know, we, we tweak the bits that aren't working.

[38:24] Because I believe there's all. There's always a web. There's always like, yes.

[38:28] 25 different ways @ least to do something.

[38:31] Speaker D: Yeah.

[38:32] Speaker B: And there's always going to be one way that works best for.

[38:36] Speaker D: Yeah.

[38:37] Speaker B: An organization for a person.

[38:39] Speaker D: Yeah.

[38:39] Speaker B: And if you've got to go through all the other 24 ways to find the one way that that works, that's.

[38:44] Speaker C: Just what you've got to do. And that is so true, isn't it? I mean,

[38:47] because there are these trends, like we're talking about the RSD and things like that that you brought up earlier stipsy. But,

[38:53] you know, we often say all roads lean to Rome. Like for example, if you feel emotionally disregulated. For me it's been breath work. But I'm not going to go out there and say, this is going to work for everybody because for other people, be mantra meditation.

[39:04] For someone else it will be. I think you were talking about how you love doing crafts and arts and. Yeah, everybody. We need to. But we need to be open to trying things.

[39:13] Once we recognize, oh, God, actually I've got. I feel disconnected from my body or I'm disassociating whatever it is, or I'm crying all the time,

[39:21] then it's like,

[39:22] start trying things.

[39:24] Speaker D: Yeah.

[39:24] Speaker C: But also to go, yeah, I mean.

[39:26] Speaker A: We are quite good at that in some ways and like that. We like kind of the novelty. But as human beings, there is a tendency to go, oh, I'm like that.

[39:33] And I can't do that.

[39:34] Speaker C: Yes.

[39:34] Speaker A: So that's where, you know, that's where people,

[39:36] including myself, can get stuck, like you just said,

[39:40] and having someone to go,

[39:42] we're going to do this anyway. We're going to get to Rome and I'm going to do it with you and we're just going to see.

[39:48] Speaker C: Yeah.

[39:48] Speaker A: You know.

[39:48] Speaker C: Yeah.

[39:49] Speaker B: And I think that's a key thing.

[39:51] You know, it's not about, oh, I've got this particular neurotype, like, let's say adhd,

[39:56] which means I can't do this. What it means is a lot of the time is I can't do it that way or it's not going to work for me to do it that way or it's going to drain me too much to do it that way.

[40:07] So then it's about, well, what is the way that you can do it?

[40:10] And like, a sort of distinction that I use a lot when I'm talking to people is like, there's two ways to approach a project or a task or a problem.

[40:20] One is with attachment and one is with commitment.

[40:23] And when you approach something with attachment, it means it has to be, look, feel a certain way. You have to get there in a prescribed way. Everyone has to do it in this way.

[40:33] It has to look like this, otherwise it's not right, it's incorrect.

[40:37] That's so freaking stressful.

[40:39] Whereas if you approach something with commitment,

[40:42] commitment goes, right, we've got to get over there.

[40:44] And it doesn't actually matter how we do it or how we get there,

[40:48] we just sort of get there.

[40:49] Speaker A: That's a brilliant way of framing it.

[40:51] Speaker B: And I've got no idea what it looks like. I'm just committed to the outcome. I'm not attached to the outcome. Looking and feeling a certain way. Yes.

[40:57] Speaker A: Yeah, that's brilliant.

[40:58] Speaker C: That is brilliant.

[40:59] Speaker B: And that.

[40:59] Speaker C: And actually, already I can. I can always feel my brain relaxing. The second option, because it's. It's just taking away all of that judgment. Is it?

[41:09] Speaker A: Do you find that difficult? I know we've got to. We've got to kind of wrap it up shortly, but do you find that difficult, though, with a.

[41:15] An autistic type trait brain that.

[41:19] Speaker B: I mean. I mean, that's the way we're doing it. I mean, for me, I don't have an autism diagnosis, but my. Lots of my autistic colleagues and peers tell me that I have many traits.

[41:30] But I do think a lot of the traits of OCD come into play here where,

[41:35] like, I really, really do have a strong sense of, like, this has to be done correctly or something that's going to happen.

[41:43] But all of the work I've done on myself, all of the, you know, the coaches I work with, the mindset stuff I've done on myself that I can now notice not just in my brain, but in my body when I'm feeling that, like.

[41:55] And it is like a tightness over my body of like, oh, it has to be this way.

[41:59] And I can sort of go, oh, no, it doesn't.

[42:02] Like it be. The very act of it being this way is stressing you out. So what is the other way it can be?

[42:08] Speaker A: And what a brilliant lesson for. Well, not lesson, but a learning for people to know that it doesn't have to be the way it's always been.

[42:17] This stuff works.

[42:19] Speaker B: Exactly.

[42:20] Speaker A: You know, and I just think oftentimes people haven't got the confidence in it, but it think, oh, I'm just like this, you know, this struggle is just my struggle, and I'm always gonna feel this way.

[42:31] And it's not true, is it?

[42:32] Speaker B: No,

[42:32] no. And. And like, the. It's really hard. With perfectionist tendencies as well.

[42:37] Like, I saw this little, like, thing online that I've, like, saved, and it's. And it's somewhere that I always go back to it. And it's.

[42:45] One is like a really messy circle with stuff all colored outside the edges. And then it's a perfect circle that's joined up with everything colored neatly in the lines. And on the messy circle, it just says, make it exist first.

[42:58] And then it says, make it good later.

[43:02] And I think that is something that, like, again, As a historic perfectionist,

[43:08] I've really had to, like,

[43:10] be, you know, if you want to be successful in a business, make it exist. Yes, make it exist. Then take the feedback, then make it good. Because if you try and make it good from the off, first of all, the chances of you getting overwhelmed, massive.

[43:23] Ever. Getting it out there, slim to none. Spending all this time getting it out there, launching this perfect product, finding no one wants it,

[43:31] do it scruffy, get the feedback from people and then make it good. Not just according to what you think good is, but what your customers and your clients tell you good is going to be.

[43:41] Speaker C: Yes.

[43:41] Speaker B: Then you have something that not only starts making you money straight away in the scrappy version, which you can reinvest into making it good, but when you make it good, it's actually what your.

[43:51] Speaker C: Audience are going to want.

[43:53] Speaker A: Oh, Alice, I just think, my God, people listening to this are going to.

[43:56] Speaker B: Be like,

[43:57] where can I get Alice?

[43:58] Can I just take. Put her in my pocket. Say that. So true. So I always, like, when I'm talking to clients, a lot of time I'll.

[44:04] Speaker C: Say, like, what's your skateboard?

[44:05] Speaker B: I say, because, like, right now you're trying to build a car and you don't have the experience or the resources or the knowledge to build a car. So if you wait until you can build a car.

[44:14] Yeah. No one's going to buy it. And then when you built it, people might not want the car.

[44:19] So we need to dial it back and go watch your skateboard.

[44:22] Speaker D: Yeah.

[44:22] Speaker B: Because your skateboard is still going to get people from A to B shin.

[44:25] Speaker C: Pads and get on.

[44:27] Speaker B: What's the skateboard version of your business then in the business plan, what's the scooter version? Because you put a handle on it. Then what's the bike version? When you put wheels and pedals on it?

[44:37] Then what's the motorbike version? Then what's the car version?

[44:40] Because that's where we are maybe looking at getting in three to five years.

[44:44] But you can wait for three to five years until you've got the car and launched the car car and risk the car flopping. Or you can start making money with the skateboard, make more money with a scooter, make more money with a bike and get to the car in the same amount of time and be more successful.

[44:58] Speaker C: I absolutely love that. And actually, I know we don't want to generalize about people, but,

[45:01] you know,

[45:02] all the people I know who've been diagnosed with ADHD or kind of recognize that in themselves are very visual learners. So that analogy. So bringing all of these analogies in, making things interesting and,

[45:14] and sparking people's imagination rather than a kind of dry explanation.

[45:17] Speaker B: Yeah.

[45:18] Speaker C: So.

[45:18] Speaker B: Oh, I talk in all the time. That's how I make sense of the word. Yeah.

[45:22] Speaker C: I love it.

[45:22] Speaker D: Yeah.

[45:23] Speaker A: Incredible.

[45:24] Speaker C: Yes.

[45:25] Speaker A: Oh, so good.

[45:26] Speaker B: So helpful. So helpful.

[45:27] Speaker A: So friendly and useful.

[45:28] Speaker C: Yeah.

[45:29] Speaker B: I felt that I got quite ranty then. I'm like, oh, no, no, it's good business.

[45:35] Speaker C: That you feel, Alice, that you like to impart to people or anything. We haven't covered that you,

[45:42] you know, that you, you'd like to mention before we sign off.

[45:46] Speaker B: I think I, I mean, I, I mean, I think this is front of my mind at the moment because I have recently gone back on ADHD medication. Yeah.

[45:54] Which is an accommodation. It is, you know, a helpful thing.

[45:59] But I think what, you know, again, we're talking about overwhelm, talking about business ownership when you're, when you're neurodivergent, just like, don't be afraid to make the accommodations for yourself that you need.

[46:11] Like, whether.

[46:12] Just because you've survived up to this point without an accommodation doesn't mean that you're not entitled to start using it.

[46:22] I was speaking to someone a little while ago who said,

[46:25] God, I feel like everything would just be so much easier if, like, when my partner got home,

[46:30] I could just go and have a half an hour nap and, and, and they look after the kids. And I was like, well, why don't you ask your partner if you can go and have that?

[46:38] And they said, well, I just feel so guilty. Like I've. I've never done it before. And I'm like, yeah, but how much better would that make you feel? How much more energy would it give you in the evening?

[46:46] How much calmer would you feel during the day knowing that you've got that little respite of half an hour that's just for yourself at the end of every day and you don't have to push through it.

[46:55] And then you can spend, like, how much then better quality time can you spend in the evening with your partner because you've had that reflect like, it is wild to not allow yourself.

[47:04] Speaker D: Yes.

[47:05] Speaker B: To do an accommodation just because you've survived and just because without it, society.

[47:10] Speaker C: It's not the way things are done. It's not the, it's not the correct thing to do. It's not. We don't do that in, in other countries, you might have a siesta, but we're not.

[47:18] It's just this again, this idea fits into this.

[47:21] Speaker B: Yeah.

[47:21] Speaker C: This sort of way of overarching way of doing things that we take for granted but it doesn't have to be be like.

[47:27] Speaker B: No, I think that's brilliant.

[47:28] Speaker A: Yeah, that's such a brilliant way to end.

[47:30] Speaker C: Yeah, it really is.

[47:32] Speaker A: Oh, thank you so much.

[47:33] Speaker B: My pleasure.

[47:34] Speaker C: Thank you, Alice. I think this is going to be.

[47:36] Speaker A: So, so helpful to so many people.

[47:38] Speaker C: Absolutely. And where can they find you?

[47:41] Speaker B: So you can Find me on LinkedIn? It's probably where I'm most active. If you search for Alice Reeves, I'll come up. I don't think there's that many of us in the world.

[47:49] Speaker A: It's a good name.

[47:53] Speaker B: You can follow. Joyfully different. We're at Joyfully Different UK on Instagram and we are also on LinkedIn. Joyfully Different. Find the company page or find me and find it there. And then our website is Joyfully different co.

[48:05] So that's just co and that's got all the information about the membership.

[48:10] The Neuro Inclusion Training Consulting we've just launched for organizations our social impact project. So we're. We're seeking funding to be able to run social impact programs where we're supporting unemployed neurodivergent people to start their own businesses.

[48:26] Amazing. It's estimated that up to 30 to 40% of neurodivergent people are unemployed. So self employment we believe is such a solution and we believe there should be funding directed to supporting people with those skills.

[48:41] And then we're also organizations can sponsor us as well. They can sponsor memberships so that we can give them to people who are in financial hardship to help them start their business.

[48:50] Speaker A: Amazing. Amazing. All the talent and strengths and creativity that you know are going untapped because people can't get the right help. So that is incredible to end on.

[49:01] Speaker B: Thank you. And just the one more cheeky. If you do want to work with me one to one as a coach, you can just send me a message on their LinkedIn or email or email me.

[49:09] Alice. Alice Reeves.

[49:10] Speaker C: Not cheeky at all. Thank you for everything you're doing.

[49:12] Speaker B: My pleasure. Thank you for having me.

[49:16] Speaker D: Foreign.

[49:22] Speaker B: Thank you for joining us.

[49:23] Speaker A: I hope you enjoyed the episode. If you would like more of this kind of stuff, join us at Welove Pupil School.

[49:29] For people that want to create lasting relationships, great communication and build a life that means that they can be fully themselves.

[49:39] Speaker B: Thank you for listening.

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